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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.10 17:30:00 -
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I've pushed for peace for a long time, and earned nothing more for my trouble than the experience of repeatedly ending up looking like a fool in front of my own countrymen and being spat upon by those on the other side of the war that I worked so hard to advocate for. Indeed there may still be a chance for peace, but it must be one on our terms that leaves the Patriots and all the filth associated with that ignoble conglomerate no wriggle room to continue their insane vendetta against us. Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.11 01:18:00 -
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At which point the State has:
a. Lost its only bargaining token in the Luminaire system b. Lost the one thing important to it in the Luminaire system c. Lost any hope of portraying themselves as the morally superior party in the argument d. Utterly voided its membership of CONCORD e. Given the Federation a spectacularly good justification to retaliate with overwhelming lethal force f. Gained literally nothing
Threatening to shoot a hostage only works while the hostage is still alive. If you shoot the hostage, you not only lose the only thing that's stopping people from shooting you, you give them an extra reason to do so. Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:00:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I like how you make such broad, overbearing statements. It speaks volumes for your ignorance without me having to lift a single finger. Please talk more, please. It's basically all she's good at. Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:36:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The problem here seems to be the belief that Home should be equally important to the Federation and the State. It isn't. Find something else to bargain for. I'd be perfectly willing to cede Caldari Prime if there wasn't ample evidence that the State would never stop at just one of the Federation's planets. Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:17:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:What evidence is that may I ask? Was any other planet attacked prior to the start of the war? has the State ever eyed another Federation planet prior to the start of the war? Lets be serious here, there was one target. Only one. That was Caldari Prime and it was seized. Planets have traded sovereignty a dozen times over, Federation and Gallente, since the outbreak of militia warfare. If your 'evidence' lies there in, you might want to reconsider. The State retook Caldari Prime in an act of unprovoked and unparalleled bloodshed which left hundreds of thousands dead, injured or homeless, and, at gunpoint, forced the Federation to sign a peace treaty ceding control of the planet. Then, unsatisfied with siezing control of Caldari Prime via the violation of nearly every treaty and legal document it had ever signed, the State started pushing into Placid and Essence as well, forcing the Federation to slave itself to the unwinnable rat race of the Empyrean War just to defend its systems. Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:22:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I have a crazy idea! Let's ask the people living on Caldari Prime which flag they want to live under and then both sides have to accept their decision. I know! It's not like there are tens of billions of enslaved Minmatar and Ealur in the Empire who aren't allowed to do precisely that, right? Mane 614
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Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:46:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Typical Gallente obfuscation. The equation is very simple actually:
The Gallenting conceding Caldari sovereignty and ownership of Caldari Prime = peace. It's funny how often the Amarr insist that the Gallente have no right to comment on the politics of their empire, but think that this rule does not apply in reverse. Mane 614
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